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Mr. Swipes, I would like to compliment you on your well written logic. Some people may have been confused, because their logic is twisted. For example, I have noticed that most pro-abortion thinkers are also pro-public healthcare. Their argument for abortion is, "A woman's body is personal and private. No one has the right to tell a woman what she can and can not do with her own body!" Yet, in the same breath, argue for a public healthcare plan, which will mandate government control over what people can and can not do with their own bodies. That same logic is often applied to individual private property rights, then enthusiastically voting for higher taxes and increased land use legislation.

"More, please?" Consequences clear as glass to people like Tom Cattell, Ken Swipies, and I, have been programmed into others to be a pack of lies. Propaganda programs are the pipe dreams they believe. The majority will no longer need to work, because a few roll up their sleeves. They will no longer need to worry about decisions they must make, because the number of their choices will eventually fade away. They believe those in governmental power want to provide their every need; They take the bait, hook, line and sinker, and become complacent and lazy. They surrender all their assets, all their savings and identities, Because they believe the government officials will give them back for free. When the government assigns community services jobs to all of them, they will gladly work for nothing for the good of Uncle Sam. Then one day they start to notice their free frig isn't working and it is always bare; the roof that they've been given is leaking; and they've been waiting months for their health care. They approach their government officials in the mansion on the hill; And they're told to get to work on their assigned job, keep their mouths shut, and drink their swill.

Mr. Miller writes: "Mr. Cattell: Your little fable about the pigs is amusing, but... Human beings are smarter than pigs. Well, most of us, anyway. Are you going to seriously suggest that the citizens of every nation with "socialized medicine" (and that's practically all of them) are living under tyranny? Yes, you probably are." Swipies: I went to the link you posted. There isn't a great deal of difference in price. Also there probably are procedures they don't cover that my insurance does. So in the end it's probably a wash. Spoken like a corn-fed bore. You should read some George Orwell, Mr. Miller. I guess the national debt probably isn't that big, taxes probably don't effect our individual net income; our individual net income probably doesn't effect our spending; our spending probably doesn't effect businesses; businesses probably don't effect the job market; the job market probably doesn't effect the national economy, because those of us with jobs can probably pay more taxes; and paying more taxes probably doesn't effect the hours we must work to make ends meet, because more taxes probably doesn't effect business owners ability to pay employees; and working longer hours for less income probably doesn't effect our freedom... What Tom Cattell explained in his analogy is a technique animal trainers and psychologists use often: "conditioning". It is accomplished very gradually, with positive and / or negative reinforcement. Your comments are conditioned responses. Your inability to think for yourself is a conditioned response. Your belief that there is only one solution, government intervention, is a conditioned response. IOW, Mr. Miller, you've been at the trough too long.

Every doctor I have heard from is ready to call it quits under the Health Care Plan, because their income will drop by 50%. They will be unable to pay their employees, maintain / purchase equipment, and pay their humongous liability insurance, etc. What incentive would any young person have in go into medicine. Their students loans alone are a huge liability once they graduate. As Mr. Cattell and Mr. Swipies have explained, once the gates are closed - freedom is lost. You can't vote the debt away - it's here to stay. How high and how deep do you want the fence to be? How many trillions? All the offspring of those hogs will never have a concept of what "freedom" means. Those that remember will be conveniently old and feeble, and ready for the morpheme drip.

Thank your trial lawyers for expensive health care and insurance.

"Based on that comment, I get the impression that you are an idiot who thinks in crude stereotypes." Man-A is very rude and defensive; Man-B is polite. If I worked for the IRS, Census Bureau, AARP, or Mental Health Association, I might have more information about you to base my opinion on, but I'm afraid I don't. Texans do think crude however; ... oil that is, black gold, Texas tea. ;)

No, I don't think you get it yet, Mr. Miller, but maybe with some "help" from the government you will. Yes, I don't know you from Adam; I base my impression solely on your comments. Man-A talks like he would rather someone else manage his life, while Man-B prefers making his own decisions. Man-A becomes giddy at the thought of massive government spending and control, while Man-B becomes enraged by the loss of freedom and independence. Man-A sees government as the single answer; while Man-B sees infinite solutions given free-enterprise and innovation. Man-A talks like a victim, while Man-B talks like a hero. There are huge numbers of non-profit organizations in every community which reach out to people like your friend. Unfortunately, they are now losing resources because they will no longer be allowed as a tax write-off, and unemployment is increasing thanks to government "solutions", so less people can afford to give to charities. I live in a State that has no State income tax and has tort reform. We have a lot of people and doctors moving here for those reasons alone. Things are less expensive here too, they say. We even pump our own gas. We also have a lot of energy resources here. Oregon is beautiful. I love Oregon! I would enjoy living there, but from what I read your unemployment, taxes, cost of living, and regulations, are ridiculously high. Can you guess where I am?